Comments - How Far is Heaven? - Online Grief Support - A Social Community2024-03-28T22:12:13Zhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2054931%3ABlogPost%3A310119&xn_auth=noVirginia, while I don't know…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2018-04-20:2054931:Comment:3218022018-04-20T05:30:13.897ZBrett Bowmanhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/BrettBowman
<p>Virginia, while I don't know you, I don know this... your mom knew that you loved/love her. And there is a cold reality in all of this. No matter how hard I tried, my mom still died. There was no stopping it. It was like trying to hold back a tidal wave. There was something else that I came to realize. I told people that nothing could tear me away from my mom. I was wrong. God could. That's not meant to be construed as anger towards God. It's just that there are things that we simply cannot…</p>
<p>Virginia, while I don't know you, I don know this... your mom knew that you loved/love her. And there is a cold reality in all of this. No matter how hard I tried, my mom still died. There was no stopping it. It was like trying to hold back a tidal wave. There was something else that I came to realize. I told people that nothing could tear me away from my mom. I was wrong. God could. That's not meant to be construed as anger towards God. It's just that there are things that we simply cannot control.</p>
<p>I once (jokingly) asked my mom's doctor if he would come live with us. He told me that both of his parents were dead. He couldn't save them, and even if he came home with me and my mom, he would not be able to save her.</p>
<p>There are no storybook endings here. If there were one I would have found it. The Lord knows that I looked for it. If there is anything that you feel guilt or remorse about, please know that I feel that, too. That is part of grief. We search for it. We overturn every rock until we find it. I've found it in spades, but my mom knew how much I loved her. Your mom knew it, too.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, we loved our mom's with all of our hearts, and they loved us with all of theirs. And I will always hold out hope that there is a happy ending. It may not come in this life, though I think we should always look for happiness where we can, but it may come in the next. That is my hope and where my faith lies. That love will never die, and that we will see our mom's again, and there will be no more goodbye's. No more cancer.</p>
<p>I think that they are waiting for us. We will see them again. Until then, maybe all we can do is feel blessed that we loved and were loved so much. Maybe there are things that we would do differently if we were able to do it all again, but the amount of love that we experienced could never change.</p> Oatmeal,
As I read your blog,…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2018-04-20:2054931:Comment:3219662018-04-20T04:58:01.634ZVirginia Ghttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/VirginiaGavel
<p>Oatmeal,</p>
<p>As I read your blog, I cried and cried. It’s all too familiar and all too heartbreaking. My Mom and I did everything together. I always lived with both parents, but my Dad was always the quiet type that liked to do things alone a lot. Being an only child, this gave me the opportunity to be even closer to my Mom and I was thrilled with that.</p>
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<p>Like you said, when we heard the word cancer, my world fell apart. Not just any cancer, a rare one with a small…</p>
<p>Oatmeal,</p>
<p>As I read your blog, I cried and cried. It’s all too familiar and all too heartbreaking. My Mom and I did everything together. I always lived with both parents, but my Dad was always the quiet type that liked to do things alone a lot. Being an only child, this gave me the opportunity to be even closer to my Mom and I was thrilled with that.</p>
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<p>Like you said, when we heard the word cancer, my world fell apart. Not just any cancer, a rare one with a small chance of long term survival. We went in the ladies room, and I said “let’s just go be with Granny and Pop-Pop”, who had passed. She said “we have to try, at least for a while”. I had always been so terrified of cancer, I couldn’t even watch a commercial about it. How could I handle the person I adored more than anyone my whole life having this? Well, I couldn’t. I quit my job to take care of her, but I didn’t handle it as well as you. My own ocd, anxiety, and depression took over and I am filled with regrets. I was always researching the cancer, asking the doctor questions. I was by her side every minute. But not emotionally. My brain was somewhere else.</p>
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<p>She had her own positive attitude and I can’t believe the things she went through so bravely. I wasn’t even brave enough to take care of her. I am angry, I am confused, devastated, and like you said broken. I am just a shell existing. You’re statement, I was not made to be apart from my Mom, is so true for me. People think I can eventually “get better”. But I can’t. Everyone says, she wants me to have a life and be happy. But she is my life, she is my happiness. </p>
<p>I can’t and won’t accept what happened to her. She never did a thing wrong in her life. She gave me everything and when she needed me most, I failed her. I belong with her and I pray for that everyday.</p>
<p></p> Joy, I have prayed for you si…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-08-05:2054931:Comment:3106142017-08-05T04:24:41.539ZBrett Bowmanhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/BrettBowman
<p>Joy, I have prayed for you since the first time we spoke. I will continue to do so. I already consider you to be a dear friend. You even got my name right!</p>
<p>You said something very powerful. God needs to come first. That is something I have struggled with mightily. I figure that we may as well be honest with ourselves and with God. He already knows us better than we do. Today when I was praying, I felt a real twinge of guilt. Am I asking God to take me home because I want to be with…</p>
<p>Joy, I have prayed for you since the first time we spoke. I will continue to do so. I already consider you to be a dear friend. You even got my name right!</p>
<p>You said something very powerful. God needs to come first. That is something I have struggled with mightily. I figure that we may as well be honest with ourselves and with God. He already knows us better than we do. Today when I was praying, I felt a real twinge of guilt. Am I asking God to take me home because I want to be with God, or because I want to be with my mom? In my true heart of hearts, who do I love more? I figure it like this. God created my mom. God blessed me with her. God is Love and the love that I received from my mom came from God. What I am trying to say is that God is underrated in the scheme of things. But for us here in the world, it was our moms that carried us in our wombs and nurtured us. It was my mom that I ran to when I was scared or hurt. There is a part of me that feels like God is now saying, "So now you need me?"</p>
<p>Believe me I prayed mightily when my mom was sick. God should always come first, but I also believe that the love that my mom and I had was the very nature of God. Whenever you love someone without conditions, God is firmly right there in the middle of things. What I always called love for my mother was love for God as well. You can't have love without God.</p>
<p>Yes. I would love to be married. I had always been holding out for Scarlett Johansson, but I think I have moved on now (just kidding). My best girl-friend was telling me that I am only trying to replace my mother. Well, sure... in a roundabout way. It's the desire to love and to be loved unconditionally. Is that so wrong? I don't think so at all.</p>
<p>Another part of your post that really hit home. Mom fought a great fight. She did win the race and I am very happy for her. To never be sick again. Today in prayer I asked myself, or maybe God was asking me these questions... "Am I happier that my mom is in heaven, or am I more sad for myself because I don't have her anymore?" I have a long way to go before I can become the person that I should be. It makes me feel very ashamed, but I know that we are as children. And I can be a petulant child. I will always hope that God will forgive me for that.</p>
<p>I pray for God to give you strength and peace. Thank you for your prayers. And I thank you for being a part of this journey with me. Please allow me to walk with you as well.</p>
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You seem lik…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-08-05:2054931:Comment:3103472017-08-05T02:39:01.706ZJoyhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/Joy548
<p>Evening Oatmeal,</p>
<p>You seem like someone who knows the word of God. I myself have read the Bible a number of times. I am no means a Bible scholar, but I have read and studied enough to know that suffering is a common theme among God's children. It's easy to have faith when things are going well but when</p>
<p>difficulties arise (including the death of a loved one) that is not the time to doubt God. He has to test our mettle and as you know He will stop at nothing until he refines us…</p>
<p>Evening Oatmeal,</p>
<p>You seem like someone who knows the word of God. I myself have read the Bible a number of times. I am no means a Bible scholar, but I have read and studied enough to know that suffering is a common theme among God's children. It's easy to have faith when things are going well but when</p>
<p>difficulties arise (including the death of a loved one) that is not the time to doubt God. He has to test our mettle and as you know He will stop at nothing until he refines us and makes us like his dear son Jesus. Having faith during trying times is easier said than done, but everything we do is a choice. We can choose to believe God no matter what or lean on our own understanding and go by how we feel and doubt God. Yes, I agree with you it's hard being single but it is hard being married and suffering loss. That's the human condition in a fallen world. Just because you're single now doesn't mean it'll always be that way unless it's your choice. Sometimes I think God may have delayed marriage until our moms were safely home. You may be <span style="text-decoration: underline;">ready</span> to be married and He may help you find someone - remember how a wife was found for Isaac and she comforted him after the death of his mother? We have to pray and ask God for strength and until then He will have to be the support we need. He has to be first, but I think you already know that.</p>
<p>Our mothers gave us a good foundation but they've fought the good fight and now they've entered into eternal peace. They lost their mothers too and yet they persevered. I think we can do the same although I told God today that I don't think I can continue like this. I'm like you I want to go home. How can I live without my mom? The same way she lived without hers, with God's grace.</p>
<p>I pray that God will strengthen you during your grief and I ask that you pray for me because you have no way of knowing what good things He has in store for you here on Earth before He takes you home to be reunited with your mom.</p>
<p></p> Joy, I am just reading your l…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-08-05:2054931:Comment:3103462017-08-05T02:00:46.444ZBrett Bowmanhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/BrettBowman
<p>Joy, I am just reading your last comment. It is very well written and very true. This could make my faith stronger or it could destroy it. The latter is hard for me to imagine but I know that it is very possible. I am going through more now than I ever have in my life. I pray and I pray, but it still seems that one bad thing after another occurs. In the past I would have leaned on my mom in regards to all of these things. I cannot do that now. I cry and I pray. If you are like me (single. no…</p>
<p>Joy, I am just reading your last comment. It is very well written and very true. This could make my faith stronger or it could destroy it. The latter is hard for me to imagine but I know that it is very possible. I am going through more now than I ever have in my life. I pray and I pray, but it still seems that one bad thing after another occurs. In the past I would have leaned on my mom in regards to all of these things. I cannot do that now. I cry and I pray. If you are like me (single. no kids), it can be very hard to find a support system. I mean, I have friends who love me but they have their families of their own. So I rely completely on God. Not that I mean God plays second fiddle by any means, it's just that I am completely reliant on him. I believe that God often provides us comfort and support through other people. If I can't have that, my hope is that God will help me directly. That's where faith comes in for me. Do I believe that he will actually help me? I must believe because I never stop praying. I never stop hoping. I think anything is possible through God.</p>
<p>My minister reached out to me last week via e-mail. He had heard about some of the things I had been going through recently and he asked me to make an appointment with him next week. I wrote him back and told him that I would do that, but also asked that he would call me. He did call me the next day. He prefaced by telling me that he had to be in a meeting in a few minutes. I have to admit that hurt a little. I was not mad at him by any means. I understand that we have a huge church and that he is very busy. Still, it did hurt a little. I didn't want to keep him so I didn't say much, Just told him that I was struggling with my faith. He prayed for me. I have an appointment with him next week but I cannot schedule my grief. It doesn't work that way.</p>
<p>I am just really confused. On one hand I believe that we have to be careful about having too much faith in people. On the other hand I believe that it may be through those very people that got comforts us.</p>
<p>I just don't know. I will keep praying and keep hoping for peace. I love The Lord but am the first to admit that I do not know how he works. I don't mean this to be flippant. We have all hear that old saying, God always answers our prayers, it's just that sometimes the answer is no." The part of me that lacks faith says, "He seems to say no an awful lot."</p>
<p>I won't give up though. I'll keep praying and I will keep hoping. It's like Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, where else would we go?" Like Peter, I don't want to go anywhere else. Here's where I make my stand. I pray that he will lead me home.</p> Never be sorry for grieving.…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-08-04:2054931:Comment:3103232017-08-04T00:07:04.682ZBrett Bowmanhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/BrettBowman
<p>Never be sorry for grieving. I think it is very important that we be honest with ourselves about our feelings. If you ever feel angry at God, let him know. Believe me he can take it. </p>
<p>Never be sorry for grieving. I think it is very important that we be honest with ourselves about our feelings. If you ever feel angry at God, let him know. Believe me he can take it. </p> wish i new brett
i wz a daddy…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-08-03:2054931:Comment:3101952017-08-03T22:39:06.116Zdream moon JO Bhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/jb
<p>wish i new brett</p>
<p>i wz a daddys grl till i loss him in 2012 idid bean bad 5 yrs or so nw mom sil alz/dem beat brest c jtus wish she cud of beat alz/dem</p>
<p>nt bean wel my slf i feal lk a rebl dorter i do dnt wnt 2 go in 2 dtale all i no i feal lk a bad persn i do</p>
<p>bt evry 1 on hears bean grt </p>
<p>weid thngs is ony 1 t got me wz my cat of 16 yrs i had 2 pts lst yr she undstid me nevr ufe way i grief she did not</p>
<p>iv 2 11 mths cats nw wish im pld i ahv i dod…</p>
<p>wish i new brett</p>
<p>i wz a daddys grl till i loss him in 2012 idid bean bad 5 yrs or so nw mom sil alz/dem beat brest c jtus wish she cud of beat alz/dem</p>
<p>nt bean wel my slf i feal lk a rebl dorter i do dnt wnt 2 go in 2 dtale all i no i feal lk a bad persn i do</p>
<p>bt evry 1 on hears bean grt </p>
<p>weid thngs is ony 1 t got me wz my cat of 16 yrs i had 2 pts lst yr she undstid me nevr ufe way i grief she did not</p>
<p>iv 2 11 mths cats nw wish im pld i ahv i dod do</p>
<p>iv yeld it god</p>
<p>swore it god</p>
<p>felt lk givin god a slap </p>
<p>givin god a beatin </p>
<p>i no it well get me no wear</p>
<p>all i no 2017 ben a bad 1 </p>
<p> mom bean ill</p>
<p>me bean off coz of lot thng s goin on</p>
<p>if i cud get on a trane 2 heven or a paln 2 hevn or a fery 2 heven or a bus 2 hevn sad htng 2 d say for me it be 1 way tickt it wil be </p>
<p>coz i miss mydad if he cum bac om mom wud be ok agan id be ok agan my lif wud be ok aga </p>
<p>sorry id im sayin wong thns bret or typo erors gt umnes in my hnd i hav pls nt grt it spelin</p>
<p>all i no evry tim i sea mom nw im mad it my slf fr not doin mor mad it god 2 onoff mad it sptl for etin her get lkths mad it lod of stuff</p>
<p>sorry</p>
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<p>sorry</p> Brett, we are very similar in…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-07-28:2054931:Comment:3102282017-07-28T15:17:45.647ZJoyhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/Joy548
<p>Brett, we are very similar in our views. I want the same kind of connection with God. I thought it was very strong while my mom was alive and then she got sick and I wavered. Now I have to stand on that faith and can't use mom as a crutch. I believe He tests us because he wants to take us further and develop our faith. It may seem that we are losing our faith when in reality it may be growing stronger. Without the adversity we would stagnate and stay in a comfortable bubble.</p>
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<p>Brett, we are very similar in our views. I want the same kind of connection with God. I thought it was very strong while my mom was alive and then she got sick and I wavered. Now I have to stand on that faith and can't use mom as a crutch. I believe He tests us because he wants to take us further and develop our faith. It may seem that we are losing our faith when in reality it may be growing stronger. Without the adversity we would stagnate and stay in a comfortable bubble.</p>
<p>I think like he did with Job, God will allow the suffering to a point in our lives and then out of the blue, He'll shine through in our lives. I think we'll always miss our mothers until we see them again and what a reunion that will be.</p>
<p>I appreciate the friendship. Grief can have two effects, it can bring us together or tear us apart. I think our moms would want us to finish the race as they did and not quit (even though we feel like it). Take care of yourself and let's stay in touch.</p> Joy, I am having a faith cris…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-07-28:2054931:Comment:3101232017-07-28T03:04:01.971ZBrett Bowmanhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/BrettBowman
<p>Joy, I am having a faith crisis but it is a different kind. My sister was very angry at God because he took mom on Christmas eve. The reality is that she would have been angry at God regardless of the day. I am the first to admit that I do not understand God's will. So many times when mom would pull through a crisis, I would give so much praise to God, but I also knew that mom was very sick and that sooner or later I was going to lose her. I don't think that God gave my mom cancer. I don't…</p>
<p>Joy, I am having a faith crisis but it is a different kind. My sister was very angry at God because he took mom on Christmas eve. The reality is that she would have been angry at God regardless of the day. I am the first to admit that I do not understand God's will. So many times when mom would pull through a crisis, I would give so much praise to God, but I also knew that mom was very sick and that sooner or later I was going to lose her. I don't think that God gave my mom cancer. I don't think God gives anyone cancer.</p>
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<p>My faith crisis is just that I feel alone. It's been so hard to not have the unconditional love that my mom gave me. I feel very much alone now, and I always pray that the Lord will comfort me and love me. I want some kind of connection with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I want to know that God knows what I am going through and that he is here for me. It would mean so much. It would mean everything. I would still miss my mom terribly but it would be such a comfort.</p>
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<p>I am afraid of becoming jaded. I always want to run to God when I am sad. I just hate feeling like, "Well, I can pray and he will listen, but he's not going to do anything to comfort me." That is a horrible and hopeless feeling. Beyond all of that, I don't want to have a falling out with God. I have enough troubles already.</p>
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<p>Joy, of course I do not know anything about your relationship with your mom, but I will bet my last dollar that your mom loved you dearly. I bet that your mom loved you as much as my mom loved me. I could write a long list of all of the ways that I disappointed my mom, but she never loved me any less. I am sorry for so many things, but more than anything I just really miss my mom. God, do I ever. Sometimes I will wake up in the middle of the night with my stomach tied in knots and I can't get back to sleep. Sometimes I will just stop whatever I am doing, roll up in a ball and cry my eyes out. I just can't make it go away. The biggest, best part of my life is gone and I can't have her back. All I have now are a lot of memories. </p>
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<p>I remember when my mom died. I told myself, "I will never have to experience anything like this again. I only have one mom." I was so wrong. I experience it every single day.</p>
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<p>I wish there was something that I could say to you to make you feel better. I can't even find a way to make myself feel better. Let's do this. When I pray tonight I will ask God to tell your mom that you love her with all of your heart and that you miss her greatly. Please do this for me, too. Maybe our moms will hear. I bet they already know though. Still, it's always a nice thing to hear.</p>
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<p>Blessings to you my friend. And you really are my friend. We may be a couple of orphans but we are not alone. There are so many who are experiencing the loss of their moms. I know you love your mom. I can feel how much you love her. We can't hug our moms but we will keep them forever in our hearts. </p> Thanks Brett and God bless yo…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2017-07-27:2054931:Comment:3100492017-07-27T18:48:57.549ZJoyhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/Joy548
<p>Thanks Brett and God bless you.</p>
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<p>I agree with you about not having peace since the passing of my mother. I'm not sure if I ever will have peace. Unlike you, I've have been angry with God because he took her. I still needed her. I'm having a faith crisis. I have also been angry with myself because I wish I had been a better daughter meaning, I wish I had done more for my mom. I thought I did the best I could, but I realize now it wasn't enough. I'm glad she's not in pain any…</p>
<p>Thanks Brett and God bless you.</p>
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<p>I agree with you about not having peace since the passing of my mother. I'm not sure if I ever will have peace. Unlike you, I've have been angry with God because he took her. I still needed her. I'm having a faith crisis. I have also been angry with myself because I wish I had been a better daughter meaning, I wish I had done more for my mom. I thought I did the best I could, but I realize now it wasn't enough. I'm glad she's not in pain any longer and I know God did what was best by taking her out of her misery and giving me some much needed rest as caregiving is so exhausting. I just miss her presence so much I feel like screaming some days from the pain.</p>
<p>I know life will never be the same again.</p>