Does the pain ever get better? - Online Grief Support - A Social Community2024-03-29T10:27:18Zhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/forum/topics/does-the-pain-ever-get-better?commentId=2054931%3AComment%3A181741&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBluebird
On the question of…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-02-08:2054931:Comment:1853512014-02-08T13:19:51.063ZDennis C.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/DennisCole
Bluebird<br />
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On the question of the rapture.<br />
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No I do not believe in a rapture.<br />
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I believe that when we die we simply fall asleep.<br />
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I also believe that we will stay like that...asleep, until the creator resurrects (brings back to life) all who have fallen asleep in death back to this earth. We will then be reunited with all of our loved ones, right here on earth. But a better earth. One without suffering, sickness, etc.<br />
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I know that sounds different, strange, and certainly not what religion…
Bluebird<br />
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On the question of the rapture.<br />
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No I do not believe in a rapture.<br />
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I believe that when we die we simply fall asleep.<br />
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I also believe that we will stay like that...asleep, until the creator resurrects (brings back to life) all who have fallen asleep in death back to this earth. We will then be reunited with all of our loved ones, right here on earth. But a better earth. One without suffering, sickness, etc.<br />
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I know that sounds different, strange, and certainly not what religion teaches, but it is what I have come to understand from the Bible. And for me...it is extremely comforting and it gives me a firm hope for the future.<br />
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Truth be told, I have some very loved relatives who are devout atheists and I fully understand why they feel the way they do. I actually agree with many of the reasons that have moved them to believe the way they do.<br />
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I appreciate very much being able to discuss our differing views with dignity and respect.<br />
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THANK YOU.<br />
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Dennis Dennis,
I don't take what you…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-02-07:2054931:Comment:1852512014-02-07T14:43:37.154Zbluebirdhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/Kristina68
<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I don't take what you say as preaching; I know you are trying to comfort, not convert, so I take no offense. :)</p>
<p>However, I cannot agree with your view, although of course I respect your right to hold it. I do not believe in the concept of "original sin", which I think is what you are referring to in your first paragraph above (please do correct me if I'm wrong, though). I also do not believe that the Bible is god's word; in my opinion, even if there is a god, much of…</p>
<p>Dennis,</p>
<p>I don't take what you say as preaching; I know you are trying to comfort, not convert, so I take no offense. :)</p>
<p>However, I cannot agree with your view, although of course I respect your right to hold it. I do not believe in the concept of "original sin", which I think is what you are referring to in your first paragraph above (please do correct me if I'm wrong, though). I also do not believe that the Bible is god's word; in my opinion, even if there is a god, much of what is in the bible was created by humans, and is very untrue (though it does also contain some good ideas, as well as some lovely poetry). Just because they were humans in antiquity doesn't mean that they are any better than modern humans/religions, or any less likely to insert their own personal, political, and religious beliefs into the biblical text because it was useful/helpful to them to do so, and/or because it was useful/helpful to their kings or other leaders to do so.</p>
<p>I also do not agree that those who die are "asleep with no awareness of their condition", etc. It seems to me that you are saying you believe in the idea of the Rapture, am I correct? I do not believe in that concept. I do, however, hope that you are correct that I will be reunited with my husband and will be with him forever. </p>
<p>I do respect you very much. In my experience it is rare to be able to hold a discussion such as this between a religious person and a non-religious person, without vitriol and hurt feelings, though I have been lucky enough to participate in some good discussions like this in the past. I appreciate you and your ability to discuss and reason with respect, even though we hold quite different views on these very important subjects. I hope I am being equally respectful of you and your views; I know that is certainly my intent.</p>
<p>Namaste. :)</p> Bluebird,
I appreciate very…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-02-07:2054931:Comment:1852502014-02-07T13:11:45.550ZDennis C.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/DennisCole
Bluebird,<br />
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I appreciate very much your view. My statement about death not being normal is based on my belief that Man and Women were never supposed to die. That the original intent (yes I do believe in a creator) was that we live forever on the earth, in peaceful conditions with no sickness or suffering. In respect for your beliefs I will not quote scriptures, but I will say that religion teaches people things about God that are NOT in the Bible, and are very untrue.<br />
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I also believe that those…
Bluebird,<br />
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I appreciate very much your view. My statement about death not being normal is based on my belief that Man and Women were never supposed to die. That the original intent (yes I do believe in a creator) was that we live forever on the earth, in peaceful conditions with no sickness or suffering. In respect for your beliefs I will not quote scriptures, but I will say that religion teaches people things about God that are NOT in the Bible, and are very untrue.<br />
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I also believe that those who die are asleep with no awareness of their condition, but will wake up on a perfect earth and we will all be together. According to my belief you will be reunited with your husband and will be with him forever.<br />
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My belief is absolute to me. I believe that it is guaranteed to happen just that way.<br />
This gives me great comfort and hope.<br />
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Also, please know that I totally respect your views. Please don't view my comments as an attempt to preach because that is NOT what I am doing. I am simply sharing my view.<br />
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I hope you can find some comfort. I certainly do care very much. With all due respect, I must…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-02-06:2054931:Comment:1851892014-02-06T01:34:29.303Zbluebirdhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/Kristina68
<p>With all due respect, I must say that I don't agree. Much as I <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>hate</strong></span></em> death, it is a normal part of life, of existence. All living things die, that's not so much the part I hate.</p>
<p>What I hate is the fact that we cannot KNOW, with absolute assurance, that our loved ones continue to exist in an afterlife. We cannot KNOW that they continue to be themselves, that they will be happy & well, and that we will be…</p>
<p>With all due respect, I must say that I don't agree. Much as I <em><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>hate</strong></span></em> death, it is a normal part of life, of existence. All living things die, that's not so much the part I hate.</p>
<p>What I hate is the fact that we cannot KNOW, with absolute assurance, that our loved ones continue to exist in an afterlife. We cannot KNOW that they continue to be themselves, that they will be happy & well, and that we will be together again. Secondarily, I hate the fact that death often occurs much too soon (as it did with my husband).</p>
<p>I am agnostic, leaning towards atheist, and if there is a god I feel nothing but hatred and betrayal in connection with her/him. In any case, when it occurs at the end of a long life, death is just part of the natural life cycle. Of course, that doesn't make it any easier, <em>especially</em> when it occurs too soon. Personally, I have no hope other than the hope that there is an afterlife where I will be with my husband again. Nothing else brings me hope or happiness, and I have zero desire to "stay on a forward moving path" -- my life ended when my husband's life ended, period.</p> hi gail m
yes for me Iam fee…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-02-05:2054931:Comment:1853172014-02-05T13:54:08.636ZDavid Hhttp://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/DavidHQuinn
<p>hi gail m </p>
<p>yes for me Iam feeling some what better. She died on May 26,2012. Its a mixed bag of feelings because of relationship issues(we still loved each in a strange way )as there was never any hugging or to much kissing there was good between the sheet activity but that died off later in our marriage.Well getting off the beaten track ,does the pain better ,everyone is different .I have yet to get off my backside.</p>
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<p>hi gail m </p>
<p>yes for me Iam feeling some what better. She died on May 26,2012. Its a mixed bag of feelings because of relationship issues(we still loved each in a strange way )as there was never any hugging or to much kissing there was good between the sheet activity but that died off later in our marriage.Well getting off the beaten track ,does the pain better ,everyone is different .I have yet to get off my backside.</p>
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<p></p> My heart goes out to all of y…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-01-04:2054931:Comment:1825742014-01-04T03:32:52.613ZGail M.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/GailMoore
<p>My heart goes out to all of you in your deep losses and grief.</p>
<p>My heart goes out to all of you in your deep losses and grief.</p> I hope it gets better for all…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-01-04:2054931:Comment:1827132014-01-04T03:31:48.688ZGail M.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/GailMoore
<p>I hope it gets better for all of us.</p>
<p>I hope it gets better for all of us.</p> There are no wrong things sai…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-01-04:2054931:Comment:1827122014-01-04T03:30:33.653ZGail M.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/GailMoore
<p>There are no wrong things said when you are speaking from your heart.</p>
<p>There are no wrong things said when you are speaking from your heart.</p> This brings me great comfort…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-01-04:2054931:Comment:1825092014-01-04T03:29:46.789ZGail M.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/GailMoore
<p>This brings me great comfort as well.</p>
<p>This brings me great comfort as well.</p> Here is a promise that I put…tag:www.onlinegriefsupport.com,2014-01-03:2054931:Comment:1823962014-01-03T14:20:32.026ZDennis C.http://www.onlinegriefsupport.com/profile/DennisCole
Here is a promise that I put great faith in:<br />
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"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”<br />
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Believing this promise brings me great comfort. It does NOT take the pain away today, but it does promise to do so.
Here is a promise that I put great faith in:<br />
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"And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”<br />
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Believing this promise brings me great comfort. It does NOT take the pain away today, but it does promise to do so.